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Just finished the finale.

Huh.  I suspect this is going to cause more nerd schisms than "Watchmen".

Oh, no doubt about that.

I liked the last minute. I was frustrated by the rest.

I loved it, everything I wanted to happen but didn't think they would be able to pull off, happened.

I loved it.

I'm sure many people will be angry about it, but I honestly enjoyed every second of it.

I loved every gods damn minute of it.

Again, no spoilers. Like I said, we've dipped in and out over the last few weeks, trying vainly to catch up before the end. We decided that we'd just watch the show "live" from time to time, no matter whether we were caught up or not. There's always a few moments of confusion, but then the performances always drag us in. i don't need to know why Adama's screaming at Tigh, I just need to know that Olmos and Hogan are brilliant and just go with it. It's amazing how resilient this show is for that. If you're willing to just dive in to any random spot in Galactica and watch, no matter what you already know, you can at least really enjoy the acting.

ditto

Re: the last episode.

Thanks, Ted and all your colleagues at Sci-Fi.  I have nothing but the highest praise for this episode.

I'll wait til the West Coast is done to nerd out.

Very vague comment until the west coast gets it: For a show that owes a great deal to both "Quantum Leap" and "The Prisoner," it's good to see that it managed to get the finale largely right, while still following some of the same themes.

I agree that this will cause massive nerd schisms, and Moore was about 15 minutes too self-indulgent, but I feel this was a highly satisfying denouement overall, and lived up to the almost impossible hype.

I got everything I wanted, but even better, I got everything I needed.

Ladies and gentlemen, the cast and crew of Battlestar Galactica.

(applause)

Ted - you're fired.

NOTHING explained. Abominably stupid and contrived events every step of the way.

The only plan is to just jump right next to the big Cylon station thing? And all the Basestars are... where? Elsewhere?

The Cylon ship is destroyed because a dead body HAPPENS to hit the controls of the nuke button?

Everyone just HAPPENS to be in CIC at the critical moment including apparently the only Cavill?

40,000 people just HAPPEN to decide to ditch civilisation and bone FUCKING CAVEMEN for the rest of their lives?

OR, they farm Hera out as a breeding mare to all those cavemen?

WHY was Starbuck dead on the planet?? Who the fuck is the Cylon God?

I will be shutting this forum down and flying it into the sun immediately.

Gotta love the Nick.  :-)))

He raises some very valid criticisms... but I've gotta admit that I got caught up in the guts and glory of it all.

And so, despite the flaws.. Kudos to one and all.

With BSG starting at 9:00 ET, I'm very curious whether DOLLHOUSE's ratings will plummet this week just as it was supposed to suddenly turn brilliant.

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I for one welcome my new sundiving overlords.

<<And all the Basestars are... where? Elsewhere?>>

That's actually a very good question, but more because I'm intrigued than annoyed:

Once the human form Cylons on those errant Base Stars, die off, you'll have another group of Centurions wandering the galaxy.  So, for the last 150000 years there have been two races of robots wandering the galxy possibly at war with each other.

<<apparently the only Cavill?>>

We don't know that he was the only Cavil.  There may have been more on the Colony Ship.

Yeah I say that because we conveniently haven't seen any other Cavills for a long time. In fact, the entire Baddie Cylon force seems to be about 8 guys.

Looked like they were letting the Centaurions do most of the fighting.

I'm more on Nick's side of the equation re: the finale, but you were discussing the acting- there's a moment from Olmos in the second half that just about broke me in half right there. I was sobbing uncontrollably.

And eventually, those two races of robots settled on a metallic planet somewhere, and their power source's origins were lost to the mists of time over the next 150,000 years as the robots evolved and learned the change their shape not just in their hands, but in their entire bodies The power source eventually became known as the Allspark. ANd one day the war flared up again, and the Allspark was hidden away on a planet that one faction's leader had only a dim, vague knowledge of--

Earth.

Oh, and God is Billy.

This episode is the first we've seen that they've been desperate for Centurions and had to recruit the old ones. How many of them were there? If there were so few Cylons that they could just fly the BSG up to their frigging homeworld (in the least exciting and complex plan of attack in all of televisual history - just fly up next to each other, remain stationary, and fire) and blast them, why didn't they fuck them up ages ago?

Not, in retrospect, but then:  Why did you bother giving it multiple hours of youvaluable time?  I understand on a show with a known quantity or  its part of a series that you've grown loyal to.  But for an unknown show, why gamble with youtr time like that?

If you're asking why I kept trying to crack into it there's really two reasons:

1) I didn't think what I saw was bad, but I just couldn't get into it the first few times. If it had been actively bad, I wouldn't have wasted the time.

2) Enough people whose opinion I respect liked the show and during discussion here and other places addressed a few points I had trouble with and asked me to give it a chance. I did and for whatever reason when I took the time to watch a couple of episodes in a stretch I found I wanted to keep going and was hooked.

Now, compare that with something like DOLLHOUSE. The first episode was SHIT. I'm told it got better, but there's nothing that makes me want to go back.

I've had books and shows and games and comics that have started out so-so and sometimes I've given up only to have people say; "Hey, give it another half hour/20 pages/etc and it gets really amazing", so I'll give things the benefit of the doubt.

With THE WIRE, I think I expected one sort of show and I got something totally different.

Looking forward to all the discussions that are about to take place... but before everybody dives into the fray, is it just me or did the colony base look an awful lot Bab 5's Shadow ships?  Perhaps a nod to Mike S?

Man, now I resent every episode since the mutiny even more for being so amazingly boring and having nothing happen. In the last what, 7 or 8 episodes, Boomer took Hera to Cavill and the BSG went and got her back, then they settled on the deus ex machina planet and all decided to become hermits. It took that long to have not much at all happen?

And the explanation for everything is basically God Moves In Mysterious Ways? That's why they had to go to a ruined Earth first? And kill a bunch of people? The explanation for all this shit is LAZY. They know where the Cylon ship is because It Is Their Destiny To Know. They know where ANY shit is because It Is Their Destiny To Know.

I figured that they weren't going to get rid of all of the old Cylons just cause they upgraded, so they moved the od school Cylons to the Colony.

<With THE WIRE, I think I expected one sort of show and I got something totally different.>>

Dammit, Gilmer, now I'm intrigued.

Why did Cavill kill himself?!

I had no idea.

I guessed that it was because he didn't want to die at the hands of the humans?

...but they'd just negotiated a ceasefire.

Well, he did think they'd just broken it.

Yeah. That was more than a bit odd.  If anyone feared death it was Cavill.  And there were other options that remained for him other than popping his own cork.