The V

Not sure I'd ever say they owned Ireland, occupied maybe, but that could be my confused nationality talking. And I'm with you on a mini about Banshee and his past, surprised they never did more with it over the years.

It's a really crappy filler story and moreso, has some of Cockrum's worst artwork.

I've always wondered if it was Cockrum doing his usual stuff with a stylized eye or if he was rushed and covered it up by calling it a fairy tale.

I do sorta agree that the art isn't up to usual standards, but I think it does have a certain charm, although I freely admit I could be viewing it through heavy nostalgia and haven't read it in ages.

About the only time I ever heard an interesting take on Banshee proposed was the early Generation X days, in which he was a retired super-spy of the George Smiley mold who was more interested in teaching the kids to survive at all costs than he was about fighting techniques or saving the world -- and then adding a slightly-less-evil but still sociopathic and self-centered Emma Frost into the mix. Great concept Of course, it was written by Lobdell, so that all fell pretty to pieces pretty quickly.

Really? My memory had it coming from one of Logan's Japanese contacts -- Mariko Yashida, maybe -- leading to one of Logan's patented "I never told you because you never asked" moments.

<<Not sure I'd ever say they owned Ireland, occupied maybe, but that could be my confused nationality talking.>>

Much like calling you lot mexicans, and my occassionaly use of phrases like the "yoke of oppression" or "British tyranny", I find the best way to discuss these things is to use the most inflammatory language possible. So they used to own all of Ireland, then they realised most of it was rubbish, so now they just own the good part at the top.

If no one else writes that Banshee comic, I'll add it to my ever growing list of dream projects.  With my understanding of Irish history, culture and politics, I'm a shoe in. I'd propose a spin-off off movie, but the fuckers went and made Banshee a Yank. Between that and Magneto becoming Irish the moment he became an evil terrorist*, I'm convinced that Mr Vaughn has an anti-Irish agenda.

Eoin

*Because clearly a German accent isn't evil enough.

Only one comics writer has the political sensitivities to tackle something as potentially difficult as Banshee's past.

<<Not sure I'd ever say they owned Ireland, occupied maybe, but that could be my confused nationality talking.>>

Much like calling you lot mexicans, and my occassionaly use of phrases like the "yoke of oppression" or "British tyranny", I find the best way to discuss these things is to use the most inflammatory language possible. So they used to own all of Ireland, then they realised most of it was rubbish, so now they just own the good part at the top.

If no one else writes that Banshee comic, I'll add it to my ever growing list of dream projects.  With my understanding of Irish history, culture and politics, I'm a shoe in. I'd propose a spin-off off movie, but the fuckers went and made Banshee a Yank. Between that and Magneto becoming Irish the moment he became an evil terrorist*, I'm convinced that Mr Vaughn has an anti-Irish agenda.

Eoin

*Because clearly a German accent isn't evil enough.

Ennis unavailable?

I can just imagine what Garth would do with Black Tom "channeling his power through his shillelagh".

He actually didn't make too tragic a hames of it when he last went to that well...

Eoin

Well anything you come up with can't be any worse than the Shamrock origin story.

I remember Gen X starting off really well then shambling about a bit before falling apart when it got dragged into crossover territory, been ages since I read those early stories.

Has it ever been stated where Dick Grayson was born? With the sliding timeline and New52, I feel like they missed an opportunity to recast Haley's Circus as a Cirque du Soleil-type company. Isn't that pretty much where the best acrobats work nowadays? Though I assume given the size of Cirque that they're not all Quebecois.

Richard Graçon?

For all I give Mark Millar's storytelling options grief (and I do believe he could write the definitive great Glasgow novel) his tale of Ireland and his family was bloody fantastic.

<<can't be any worse than the Shamrock origin story.>>

I'm utterly unfamiliar with this character, and I'd like to learn about it from someone who hates iit, as I think that would be funnier than a Wikipedia entry.

-J

Basically Ireland's greatest superhero wears a bright green costume, is the daughter of some big-wig IRA type and by the marvels of comics logic gains the power of being possessed by the restless spirits of people killed in wars who have magic luck altering powers. It's not the daftest back story out there but it's close.

I don't recall an exact location given for Grayson's birth. Backstories for the extended family reach back to Ireland(via Marv Wolfman?) and the Roma(via Devin Grayson).

As for comparing Haly's with la Cirque...I comment any further on that here, I'll end up breaking one of the V's rules, possibly.

Is her dad a bad guy?

-J

I'm pretty sure that the leprechuan did call him Logan when they went to Ireland, which was sub #110 and I think before they went to Japan.

Cheers,

Mark

I still cringe when I think of Shamrock. When I was 11, I had my older brother's Marvel Comics Presents with Shamrock's origin story. To my underdeveloped child-brain, it seemed Irish and grown up, so I got him to read it. He described it as "not his cup of tea". It was only years later I realised how bad it was, and that it's probably the reason I can't get him to read Maus or anything.

Eoin

I've not read the Leprechaun story since I was a kid (and cringed all the way through), but The X-men discover Wolverine's name is Logan circa Uncanny 141, when he and Nightcrawler went up to Canada and met up with Alpha Flight, Heather Hudson calls him "Logan", Nightcrawler says "You never told us" and Wolverine replies "You never asked"

You...you call us Mexicans???? How did I not know this? Aye caramba.

I want a tortilla.

Of course!

The whole thing is cringe inducing, but there's likely worst out there if you look at other nationalities that have had heroes made for them over the years by writers who didn't do their research.

I think the leprechuan called Wolverine Logan in the earlier issue, but no other X-Men were about. I presume this was to show off the abilities of the leprechuans. I think that was the first time he was referred to as Logan.

Cheers,

Mark

<<Of course!>>

Hey, if it was written by an American, one can't be sure.

-J

"Everything is better on a tortilla"

--Boone Daniels

Marvel's Wiki states that Wolverine was first called Logan in X-Men 103, the leprechaun issue.

In case anyone else is interested, CBR has the panels from #103, plus a bunch of other minor Wolvie trivia.

I wonder if they ever explained if the leprechuan called him Logan because Wolverine thought that was his real name or if the leprechuan thought it would confuse Wolverine to call him James ?

Cheers,

Mark