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The Brown Bomber? (33 posts)
Post #1
29 Oct 2008
Tony Isabella
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On my message board, someone posted this:

"It had to happen!"
Well, it didn't have to, but I'm not surprised it finally did: Dwayne McDuffie writes the never-published Brown Bomber into this week's JLA #26.

To which I responded:

I might not wait for DC to send me a copy. If anyone could pull off such a character, it'd be my pal Dwayne.

Tony

P.S. Congrats on your engagement, you crazy guy you!

 

 

 

 

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Post #2 in reply to post #1
30 Oct 2008
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie
Tony Isabella

Hee, hee! If I can find it, I'll send you the sequence with the dialog before editorial cleaned it up.

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Post #3 in reply to post #2
30 Oct 2008
Dwight 'DEWLine' Williams
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie

Would this "cleaning up" explain the panel with no dialogue balloons in the middle of the bottom tier of that one page?

Dwight Williams
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Post #4 in reply to post #1
30 Oct 2008
Dwight 'DEWLine' Williams
Tony Isabella

Yeah. If anyone could've pulled off the intro and still held onto their dignity, Dwayne's on the shortlist.

Mind you, I'm still disappointed that no one's taken the idea of transplanting this character to Apartheid-era South Africa and really messing with his grey matter.

Dwight Williams
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Post #5 in reply to post #3
31 Oct 2008
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie
Dwight 'DEWLine' Williams

No, that was a beat panel. Brown bomber's last line was changed (he was wondering aloud whether as a result of now being black, he could use the "n-word." Vixen's current response was to that line).  Vixen's response to Brown Bomber's "CPT" line was supposed to be "You've got to be <Squggle>-ing kidding me."

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Post #6 in reply to post #5
31 Oct 2008
Dwight 'DEWLine' Williams
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie

Ah. That clears it up, Dwayne. Thank you kindly.

Dwight Williams
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Post #7 in reply to post #5
2 Nov 2008
geoffrey 'redjack' thorne
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie

I don't really go in for hats. My head is too big and wide to look good in them. There's a whole operetta of mockery my wife performs whenever I do succumb to temptation. But, because of this one page, I'm going to buy a hat. I don't know what kind but it's going to happen. I'm going to buy it and wear it.

 

So that the next time I see you I can take it off.

 

 

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"Take what you can. Give nothing back." Jack Sparrow

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Post #8 in reply to post #5
2 Nov 2008
Matt Adler
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie

This scene sent my gut and conscience into a death match; I felt wrong about laughing, but I just couldn't help it. I think it was actually the "beat" panel that sealed it for me. Shame on you for making me laugh at such a thing.

Of course, being the only comics nerd in the room when I laughed out loud, it led to some awkward 'splaining to my friends as to what was so funny...

"No, see, it's meant as a mocking reference to this infamously offensive character..."

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Post #9 in reply to post #7
2 Nov 2008
Stephanie 'Braids, Hoops & Lip Gloss' Brandford
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Post #10 in reply to post #9
3 Nov 2008
geoffrey 'redjack' thorne
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie

Oh, BTW.

You're not slick, sneaking David Kim in ahead of the rest of the crew.

 

 

 

 

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Post #11 in reply to post #10
3 Nov 2008
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie
geoffrey 'redjack' thorne

I don't know what you're talking about. Anyway, that was only the second Dakota reference in JLA.

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Post #12 in reply to post #2
5 Nov 2008
Zac 'zpower'
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Dwayne or anyone, I'm sorry I didn't quite get the joke.  The only Brown Bomber I knew of was Joe Louis, so I was scratching my head at that one.  The character seemed like a black version of Captain Marvel.  Anyway, can someone explain the context of the joke.

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Post #13 in reply to post #12
5 Nov 2008
Paul Storrie
Zac 'zpower'

Ask Tony Isabella. He tells it best.

PDS

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Post #14 in reply to post #5
7 Nov 2008
Jim Murdoch
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie

Oh, the Milestone swear-squiggle!  Now that's the way you swear in comics!

 

 

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Post #15 in reply to post #12
17 Nov 2008
Black Prez
Zac 'zpower'

from my understanding the brown bomber was a before now unused black hero that was really a white guy.

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Post #16 in reply to post #15
17 Nov 2008
Dwight 'DEWLine' Williams
Black Prez

My understanding was similar, with the modification that he was initially going to be a multiple-personality case as well: he would be initially unaware of how he was spending his nights, not to mention what skin colour.

Dwight Williams
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Post #17 in reply to post #16
17 Nov 2008
Black Prez
Dwight 'DEWLine' Williams

really?

I didn't know about the split personality angle of the character

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Post #18 in reply to post #16
17 Nov 2008
Walter 'Soylent Purple' Varner
Dwight 'DEWLine' Williams

Dwight:
My understanding was similar, with the modification that he was initially going to be a multiple-personality case as well: he would be initially unaware of how he was spending his nights, not to mention what skin colour.

 

Y'know, written well he might have been an interesting character.  'Course, given the timeframe and the defininte lack of diversity in the writing staff of the time, that probably wouldn't have happened.  Does anyone else think The Brown Bomber might have been an inspiration for McDuffie's Xero?

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Post #19 in reply to post #18
17 Nov 2008
James 'McFury' Mathurin
Walter 'Soylent Purple' Varner (unread)

Priest's Xero. And don't worry, they all look the same to me. ;-)

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Post #20 in reply to post #18
18 Nov 2008
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie
Walter 'Soylent Purple' Varner (unread)

Xero was Priest's. He actually pitched it as a Milestone book before he sold it to DC.

 

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Post #21 in reply to post #20
18 Nov 2008
Daniel 'Deadpool's Reference Guy' Coyle
Dwayne 'Maestro' McDuffie

And a very good book it was... too bad we'll probably never see it again.

--Dan
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Post #22 in reply to post #15
19 Nov 2008
Len
Black Prez

I heard the same and he was going to a bigot or racist.

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Post #23 in reply to post #22
20 Nov 2008
Tony Isabella
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Whenever I'm being interviewed about Black Lightning and related topics, I get asked about this character all the time.  I keep trying to come up with a shorter answer.  Here's my most recent attempt:

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DC had already purchased two scripts for a character called the Black Bomber. He was a white racist who, as a soldier in Viet Nam, had taken part in chemical experiments to help him blend into the jungle better. I am not making this up.

He showed no effects of the experiments until he returned home from Nam. Then, at odd times, he would turn into a super-powered black man. He had no knowledge of his dual identities, so he would never learn a thing from the experience. His super-hero costumed looked pretty much like a basketball uniform.

In both of the completed scripts, in his white identity, the hero risked his life rescuing someone he couldn't see clearly - such as a child in a baby carriage - discovered that he had rescued a black person, and say something like "You mean I just risked my life for a jungle bunny?!" That's an actual line from one of the scripts.

DC wanted me to "fix" these two scripts and then take over the book with the third issue. I was horrified. I tried to explain to them that these were two of the most offensive scripts I had ever read, that their offices would be burned to the ground if they published them, and that I would be throwing gasoline on the offices myself.  Who says I don't play well with others?

Finally, I boiled down my arguments against this character to one question: "Do you really want your first black super-hero to be a white racist?"

That convinced them. I was given three weeks to create a different black super-hero. I started by looking for a hero younger readers could identify with - a schoolteacher - and worked my way up to the super-hero stuff from there. Jeff Pierce came first; the name and the powers were the last steps in creating Black Lightning.

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And, of course, DC has thanked me for this by continually violating the letter and spirit of our original partnership agreement and, a couple years back, issuing an editorial edict that I could not be hired to write the Black Lightning Year One series or any other Black Lightning series.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Tony Isabella

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Post #24 in reply to post #23
20 Nov 2008
Len
Tony Isabella

You been blacklisted from Black Lightning? That's messed up.

What ever happen to the two Bomber's scripts?

Do you still have copies of them?

It might be interresting to see what remains of the Black Bomber.

If you got them the scripts would you concider posting them for those of us who are curious?

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Post #25 in reply to post #24
20 Nov 2008
Tony Isabella
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The two scripts were shipped out of the office to be preserved for all time as the historical treasures they are.  However, they have not turned up in decades.  If and when they do, I'll consider putting them online.

Tony

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Post #26 in reply to post #23
22 Nov 2008
Black Prez
Tony Isabella

the first question after why would someone thank the black bomber was a good ideal, is who created the character and wrote the script?

 

or should their identity be kept secret to protect the innocent.

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Post #27 in reply to post #26
22 Nov 2008
Daniel 'Deadpool's Reference Guy' Coyle
Black Prez

I believe it was Robert Kanigher that's credited with this "genius" idea.

--Dan
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Post #28 in reply to post #26
22 Nov 2008
Justin Jordan
Black Prez

I think the idea of a white racist who gains super powers by turning into a black man is one with a lot of potential, myself. I can see why you obviously wouldn't want it as a company's first black superhero, the concept would be gold in the hands of a good writer. The idea of someone who is willing to turn into something he hates to do something good alone is worth doing.

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Post #29 in reply to post #28
22 Nov 2008
Black Prez
Justin Jordan

your right the ideal has potential and in the right hands could be used to make some good stories.

 

of course in the wrong hands it can just lead to some really bad comics.

 

 

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Post #30 in reply to post #29
23 Nov 2008
mark 'mcoale' coale
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Ray Milland and Rosie Greer should have starred in the Brown Bomber movie.

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