I was thinking, does anyone think Superman has to many vulnerabilities. Obvisously, krytonite has to stay but why red sun raditaion, magic and (i think) high-frequency heat rays. I mean, at least one should go.
Oh and if Dwayne is reading, what exactly are the rough "rules" for Superman getting damaged in a fight, without exploiting his vulnerabilities. I thorght it had to be someone who is of equal strength or greater. is that correct?
Oh and if Dwayne is reading, what exactly are the rough "rules" for Superman getting damaged in a fight, without exploiting his vulnerabilities. I thorght it had to be someone who is of equal strength or greater. is that correct?
I hope not, it's certainly not how it works for anyone else. You don't have to be a strong as someone to hurt them, you just need to be able to exert sufficient force. I'm muck stronger than a toddler, but a toddler could damage me in any number of ways.
LOL. :)
I agree with what you say in terms of normal superheros and humans. But against Superman's powerful invulnerability level, it would be much harder, right? It might not make any sense for us (or the family jewels!!) but for Superman (whose invulnerability is kinda legendary in the DCU) it kinda does for some reason.
What you think?
Oh, i forgot to say something before.
I might be wrong here (so please correct if i am!) but did'nt john bryne's reboot say that all he powers are a form of tactile telekinesis (like conner), and thats where he gets all his powers (a aura kinda surrounds his body and stuff). If thats true, and his powers all come from the same source, then should'nt each of his powers be as strong as each other (intertwined). So thats why i thorght that someone would have to be as strong as superman to damage him.
As i said i might be totally wrong here so please say so if i am!!! :)
I think what I said in my previous answer. The moment Superman became less than completely invulnerable, the rules became clear. If you (or your tool) can exert sufficient force, you can hurt him. You don't have to be stronger than him to do so, just strong enough.
Byrne's psionic-based powers theory isn't 100% cannon, although I really like it. Even if it were, the fact that all of his powers came from the same source wouldn't make them equal. All my powers come from the same source, but I can hear better than I can see, for example.
Thanks for the answers.
But does'nt that kinda clash with what you said would happen in a superman/ww fight. You know, because he's invunable, he'd outlast her and knock her out. Do you mean he's just able to take damage better than any other characters but can still be damaged by a strong character?
I suppose that makes sense.
The reason why i thorght all of his powers would be equal is because if all of his powers were psionic-based and all came from his single mind and that single aura that surrounds his body, so they would be equal.
But its not even canon anymore so who cares!! I could ask Matt idelson in the "ask matt" section of supermanhomepage.com if it is!!!
Thanks for your time.
It makes sense for Superman not to be completely invinceable, because that way your're able to make up more challenges for him. But i am happy to see he's at least able to take damage better than anyone else. This way (and because of his other powers), i can understand why he did'nt have to train in any kind of specialised fighting style (martial arts).
This is just a recap to make sure i got it right! last post i promise!
If i punch muhammed ali in the face it might stun/sting/hurt him, but because his contioning/durability is so good he can take alot of hits before he goes down. Is that what your're Superman is like?
You have to hit him hard enough so that it hurts him. You don't have to be as strong as him to accomplish that, but you have to be pretty damn strong.
Yeah, i know that. But i was just asking if the muhammed ali comment (i post 11) i made was correct?
And can he take more damage than anyone other character, in your opinion (hence why he could beat WW who is strong enough to hurt him and more skillful).
This is the last post, i promise!! :)
What about actually knocking Superman out. Does that take doomsday level strength or can anyone who has suffienct strength (who can make superman feel the punch) do it. I most likely think its doomsday strength (going back to my muhammed ali example) because he did last an entire day with him before you know what happened.
Oh, and this goes out to everyone, not just dwayne.
Hmmm...well there is two ways of looking at this.
1. Superman's invulnerability is an aura type thing and the aura has to be overcome before he takes real damage or the strain on the aura exhausts him to the point where he is knocked out.
or
2. Said aura simply enhances his natural invulnerability and he can be knocked out in the traditional manner such as a stiff jab to the chin by someone like Karate Kid.
In scenario 1 Karate Kid could not knock out Superman with his skill because the impact would be distributed across his protective aura which would have to be overcome before Supes would take any real damage; in scenario 2 Karate Kid could knock our Superman with sufficient force because the aura would enhance Superman's resilience but would not leave him vulnerable to a well placed shot to a nerve cluster.